A tell-tale sign of having become the victim of propaganda is the eruption of particularly vehement and irrational anger, leading invariably to name-calling, calumny, scapegoating, and insinuation, when confronted with a fact, idea, or argument that might refute the propaganda, or at least make the victim aware of his having been propagandized.
The same idolatry applies to some conservative Protestant churches, whose social and political views are otherwise attractive.
These Protestants evidently regard the unilateral, unconditional promise of the Davidic Covenant—"He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever" (2 Sam 7:13)—to be applicable to the modern State of Israel, which itself is a necessary "landing pad" for the Second Coming of Christ.
Perhaps such levels of deranged fear and hatred are more common in the fundamentalist forms of Christian belief. More Old Testament than new. More ancient raging, warring, destroying God than the teachings of Jesus Christ.
One thing is certain, such support for atrocity is not going to help reduce the dropping numbers of the faithful. Not with the younger generations certainly.
Ashkenazi in Miami shoots visiting Mizrahim father and son after mistaking them for Arabs. One of the victims, the son, concludes the shooter is a terrorist and posts "Death to Arabs!" on X. When he learns of the shooter's identity, he appears on Israeli television and solemnly intones, "It doesn't matter what we are, Jews, Russians, Arab . . . no human being has to take the life of another."
Anybody who targets civilians is a terrorist. That means Netanyahu. For that matter, it means "great leaders" like Lincoln, FDR, and Truman. Mohammedans wield no monopoly when it comes to the tactic.
Israel was founded in terrorism and has functioned in terrorism ever since it invented itself in Palestine. Indeed, its political and military policies are and always have been terrorism.
The policy toward non-Jews, code-name, Arabs is to kill as many as possible and make life so impossible that they leave. In short, terrorise them into giving up and leaving their homeland. 76 years of documented atrocities and sadistic cruelty by the Israelis, gathered by Israeli and international human rights groups makes this clear, and when coupled with clearly stated policies by Zionism from 1897 and Israel from 1948, to exterminate and expel non-Jews, code-name Arabs, it is very clear that terrorism was, is and will always be the name of the game as long as Israel exists.
Why have they always broken into homes in the middle of the night to kidnap and imprison children? To terrify the parents.
Why do they murder journalists? To terrify journalists and citizens.
Why do they torture and murder doctors? To terrify doctors and patients.
Actions speak louder than words and the history of Zionism and Israel is littered with terrorist actions and statements. Indeed, it was Jewish terrorist gangs, and they were called terrorists in the time, who rampaged in bloody murder around Palestine from the 1920's to pave the way for the genocidal slaughter and ethnic cleansing of terrorist Zionist and Jewish forces in 1947/48. All of that is documented historical fact and even some Israeli historians have stated those facts.
Your first sentence is an inversion of truth: please tell me when a Kingdom of Palestine existed. And forgive me if I think I see a not terribly well disguised Nazi.
Israel was founded in stated policies of murder and theft, and accepted policies of rape, torture and sadistic cruelty.
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In the rare event that Israelis acknowledge that the Nakba was perpetrated by Zionist militias rather than being the result of some mythical Arab evacuation orders [You can read more about this here], the argument then becomes that it was a byproduct of war and not a deliberate policy. This should not be surprising, as much of the Israeli narrative depends on framing the Zionist colonists as morally superior underdogs who only resorted to violence to defend themselves.
However, like most Zionist talking points, actual scholarship and primary sources paint a completely different picture. The concept of “transferring” the Arab population of Palestine -also known as ethnic cleansing- has a long and robust history within the Zionist movement and its political thought.
The concept of "transfer"
From its earliest days, the Zionist movement was well-aware of the existence of the Palestinian natives. Even though the claim was “A land without a people for a people without a land” what they truly meant is that the land had no people worth talking about. This becomes exceedingly clear when reading the discussions of early Zionists, such as Chaim Weizmann, who when asked about the inhabitants of Palestine responded with:
“The British told us that there are there some hundred thousands negroes [Kushim] and for those there is no value.”.
With the arrival of the first Zionist colonists it became apparent that there was no hope of establishing an ethnocracy without first getting rid of the Palestinians already living there. This was encapsulated by an overheard conversation documented by Moshe Smilansky in 1891:
“We should go east, into Transjordan. That would be a test for our movement.”
“Nonsense… isn’t there enough land in Judea and Galilee?”
“The land in Judea and Galilee is occupied by the Arabs.”
“Well, we’ll take it from them.”
“How?” (Silence.)
“A revolutionary doesn’t ask naive questions.”
“Well then, ‘revolutionary,’ tell us how.”
“It is very simple, we’ll harass them until they get out… Let them go to Transjordan.”
“And are we going to abandon all of Transjordan?” asks an anxious voice.
“As soon as we have a big settlement here we’ll seize the land, we’ll become strong, and then we’ll take care of the Left Bank [of the Jordan River], we’ll expel them from there, too. Let them go back to the Arab countries.”
When asked about the deprivation of Palestinians from their rights as a result of the Zionist project, Moshe Beilinson, close associate of Ben Gurion stated in 1929 that:
“There is no answer to this question nor can there be, and we are not obliged to provide it because we are not responsible for the fact that a particular individual man was born in a certain place, and not several kilometres away from there.”
In 1930, Menahem Ussishkin, Chairman of the Jewish National Fund and a member of the Jewish Agency executive, declared that:
“We must continually raise the demand that our land be returned to our possession….lf there are other inhabitants there, they must be transferred to some other place. We must take over the land. We have a greater and nobler ideal than preserving several hundred thousands of Arab fellahin.”
There are dozens of other examples of such public statements, this is of course not even taking into account what was being said behind closed doors. But it is obvious that for the Zionist movement to succeed, the Palestinians needed to be removed from Palestine. Anything else would not allow for the erection of an exclusivist Zionist ethnocracy.
The idea of removing the Palestinians was rather popular among Zionist leaders decades before any kind of war or conflict, and was even seen as a necessity by many. Naturally, this set the stage for the ethnic cleansing that occurred between 1947-1950 (and beyond).
Plan Dalet
It is within this context that Plan D (Tochnit Dalet) was developed by the Haganah high command. Although it was adopted in May 1948, the origins of this plan goes back a few years further. Yigael Yadin reportedly started working on it in 1944. This plan entailed the expansion of the borders of the Jewish state, well beyond partition, and any Palestinian village within these borders that resisted would be destroyed and have its inhabitants expelled. This included cities that were supposed to be part of the Arab Palestinian state after partition, such as Nazareth, Acre and Lydda.
Ben Zohar, the biographer of Ben Gurion wrote that:
“In internal discussions, in instructions to his men, the Old Man [Ben-Gurion] demonstrated a clear position: it would be better that as few a number as possible of Arabs would remain in the territory of the [Jewish] state.”
Although it could be argued that Plan D did not outline the exact villages and cities to be ethnically cleansed in an explicit way, it was clear that the various Yishuv forces were operating with its instructions in mind.
To further reinforce my argument that the ethnic cleansing of Palestine was not some byproduct of warfare, but rather deliberate policy -regardless of degree of central organization- I would like to share some rather explicit and deliberate examples of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Deir Yassin
Deir Yassin was a small, pastoral village west of Jerusalem. The village was determined to remain neutral, and as such refused to have Arab soldiers stationed there. Not only were they neutral, they also had a non-aggression pact signed with the Haganah. This, however, did not save it from its fate, as it was in the territory of the Jewish state lined out in Plan D.
This meant that not only was it to be destroyed and have its population ethnically cleansed, an example needed to be made of it as to inspire terror in the surrounding villages. As a result this massacre was particularly monstrous.
On April 9th 1948, Zionist forces attacked the village of Deir Yassin under the cover of darkness. The Zionist forces shot indiscriminately and killed dozens of Palestinian civilians in their own homes. The number of those murdered ranges from roughly 100 to over 150, depending on estimation.
Perhaps one of the most graphic witness testimonials comes from Othman Akel:
“I saw the Zionist terrorist soldiers ordering the bakery man of the village to throw his son in the oven and burn him alive. The son is holding the clothes of his father tightly and crying from fear and pleading to his father not to do it. the father refuses and then the soldiers hit him in his gut so hard it caused him to fall on the floor. Other soldiers held his son, Abdel Rauf, and threw him in the oven and told his father to toast him well-done meat. Other soldiers took the baker himself , Hussain al-Shareef, and threw him, too, in the oven, telling him, “follow your son, he needs you there”.
Other stories include tying a villager to a tree before burning him, rape and disembowelment. Dead villagers were thrown into pits by the dozen. Many were decapitated or mutilated. Houses were looted and destroyed. A number of prisoners were taken, put in cuffs, and paraded around West Jerusalem as war trophies, before being executed and dumped in the village quarry.
It is important to note that this massacre was carried out before the 1948 war. It posed no threat and was not part of any military action.
Al Faluja and Iraq al Manshiyya were Palestinian villages east of Gaza. They were both home to a pocket of Egyptian troops who were assigned to defend the villages, and were besieged since October 1948. On February 1949, an armistice agreement was reached between Egypt and Israel, where the Egyptian troops and all military personnel would evacuate the pocket and hand it over to Israel.
One of the conditions of this armistice agreement was that the civilians of these villages were to remain safe and unharmed. Israel agreed to this. However, as soon as the villages were under Israeli control they were subjected to a merciless campaign of intimidation to push the villagers to leave, which included beatings, looting, attempted rapes, threats, and the employment of the so called “whispering campaigns”. It is speculated by Benny Morris that the decision was most likely approved by high ranking Israeli officials, but of course, as with Deir Yassin they feigned outrage without doing anything about it.
Al Dawayma was a Palestinian village that lay west of Al-Khalil (Hebron). According to Haganah records, the village was considered “Very friendly”. Meaning it had not hosted or participated in any attacks against the Yishuv. This, like Deir Yassin, did not spare them the brutality of the Zionist militias.
On October 8th 1948, the village was occupied by Battalion 89 of Brigade Eight, who committed some depraved acts upon the villagers. 20 armored cars invaded the village while soldiers attacked from another flank. The village guards couldn’t even respond, and the village fell with very little resistance.
The soldiers got out of their vehicles and started indiscriminately shooting villagers to force a panic and hurried depopulation of the village. Hundreds were killed, many of which were women and children. Villagers attempted to seek refuge in mosques and a close by shrine were shot by the dozens. Acts of barbarity were also reported by Zionist troops:
Babies skulls cracked open, women raped and burned alive in houses, villagers stabbed to death.
The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians was deliberate and necessary for the creation of Israel. The evidence that it was planned and not simply a byproduct of the fighting is overwhelming. Israel was not born in a vacuum, its birth was preconditioned on making the native Palestinians disappear.
Classified Docs Reveal Massacres of Palestinians in '48 – and What Israeli Leaders
The discussions were fraught with emotion. Cabinet minister Haim-Moshe Shapira said that all of Israel’s moral foundations had been undermined. Minister David Remez remarked that the deeds that had been done remove us from the category of Jews and from the category of human beings altogether. Other ministers were also appalled: Mordechai Bentov wondered what kind of Jews would be left in the country after the war; Aharon Zisling related that he had had a sleepless night – the criminals, he said, were striking at the soul of the whole government. Some ministers demanded that the testimonies be investigated and that those responsible be held to account. David Ben-Gurion was evasive.
My first sentence is a statement of fact as anyone who has done the research and read the histories of Zionism from the late 19th century and Israel which invented itself in 1948 in blood-drenched genocidal slaughter. It is all documented, historical fact and even some Israeli historians have been ethical enough to say that it is.
A kingdom of Palestine existed more than 5000 years ago as transcribed Egyptian hieroglyphs reveal. The Palestinians invaded Egypt more than once. Palestine was ancient before Judaism existed. Not that it matters because religions have no right to lands, homelands or self-determination and Jews are simply a religion. Around 3000 years ago one of their tribes, Judah, arrived in Palestine and set up camp and primitive kingdom alongside dozens of others, as Egyptian hieroglyphs also reveal. But, that counts for nothing because the world is littered with areas where ancient tribes once existed and then disappeared.
I can forgive anyone bigotry and ignorance so consider yourself forgiven. If you study Nazi policy and practice and study Zionist policy and practice and then study Israeli policy and practice, the commonalities are clear.
Although since Zionism, the racist, fascist, bigoted, fanatical, political movement was invented in 1897 and German Nazis did not appear until four decades later, the question is who got what from whom. Logic would say the Nazis drew on the Zionists for their policies and practices and the Zionists certainly worked with the Nazis in regard to their plan to colonise Palestine.
But, also well documented, the Zionists were atheists and not Jews and actually despised real Jews and their religion and were happy to see them die in Europe if it furthered their plans for Palestine. But that is a digression, albeit on the same theme.
I haven't got the energy to refute you, but really, the assertion that the Nazis learned from the Zionists ought to be enough for anyone to doubt your credibility. But if everything you said were true, please explain why, when the Israelis gave Gaza to the Palestinians, the Palestinians didn't set about to make it into the Arab Singapore which it could have been?
I do not concede your case. Mark Twain, a half century before the Holocaust survivors started trekking in, was stunned to witness the desolation into which the entire region had been allowed to fall. The Arab states had zero interest in it. As for a "Palestinian" people, the world had never heard of such a "people" until the charming advent of Sirhan Sirhan in historical awareness.
The history of the world is the history of people who were cheated out of land which was theirs, or which should have been theirs, and who after enough years of fighting and dying futilely, made their peace, with circumstances and with their conquerors, and proceeded to make the best of life which they could.
Why was this beyond the Palestinians of Gaza? And why have the Egyptians and Jordanians been adamant in their refusal to consider even trying to resettle them?
Why, in short, are the Palestinians the world's most irremediably mulish people?
You mean you do not have the facts to refute what I said.
I did not assert the Nazis learned from the Zionists, but made the point that Zionism was 30 years older than Nazism and given the similarities, i.e. Zionists believe in ubermenschen, non-Jews being subhuman and Nazis believed in ubermenschen, non-Aryans being subhuman, just one of many, a valid question is - WHO GOT WHAT FROM WHOM?
I mean the Nazis believed in final solutions for Slavs because of their racial origin, Jews because of their religious origin and Gypsies because of their racial/cultural origin and committed genocide while Zionists believed and believe in final solutions for Palestinians because they are non-Jews and have practised genocide for a century if we start with the Jewish terrorist gangs who began their rampages in the 1920's.
You said But if everything you said were true, please explain why, when the Israelis gave Gaza to the Palestinians, the Palestinians didn't set about to make it into the Arab Singapore which it could have been?
FIRSTLY, the Israelis could not give Gaza to the Palestinians because as part of officially decreed Occupied Palestine, it was not Israel's to give. In fact all of it is Occupied Palestine including the bits called Israel, but the general view is that Israel could make a case to claim pre-67 borders, but the rest of Occupied Palestine including Gaza is illegally occupied by Israel.
As to the rather sick fantasy of the Singapore of the Middle East, please name one concentration camp which turned itself into a Singapore? Can any prison do such a thing? Of course not.
Israel never ended the occupation of Gaza. It removed illegal Jewish colonists and military bases and imprisoned the Palestinians behind electric fences and gunships so it could use it to test weapons every couple of years and bomb hell out of the place.
Israel controlled what went in and what came out of Gaza and kept strict limits on food, medicine and goods. And every couple of years they destroyed as much agricultural land as they could, utilities, and things which made the place semi-functional. The physical and psychological terrorism of the Palestinians by Israel made normal life impossible. There would be no Singapore if they had suffered as the Palestinians have suffered.
Israel also moved those Jewish colonists to other parts of Occupied Palestine, still illegally.
Ah the Mark Twain furphy. Twain spent 6 months in Palestine in 1867 and remember, HE WAS A FICTION WRITER. He thought it desolate and compared to where he lived in the US it probably was, geographically.
BUT IN THOSE TIMES AND THROUGHOUT THE 19TH CENTURY PALESTINE WAS EXPORTING JAFFA ORANGES AROUND THE WORLD. Indeed the Palestinians had been exporting, wine, olive oil and citrus for thousands of years. Not desolate by any criteria.
And as I am sure you know the sickraelis from 1947 have been destroying ancient olive groves and orchards and vines which are centuries old. Nothing desolate in any of that, until the Ziojews arrived.
Did you know they never stopped destroying agriculture and land? They have laid waste in Gaza and built their ugly scab settlements on Palestinian farmland, and worse, the illegal Jewish colonists with the help of the Government release feral pigs to destroy farmland in Occupied Palestine.
Not only are Israelis the greatest intentional mass murderers of children in human history they are the greatest ecological and environmental vandals in history.,
You said: As for a "Palestinian" people, the world had never heard of such a "people" until the charming advent of Sirhan Sirhan in historical awareness.
Well, we know you are ignorant and that is why you make such a statement. The first recorded notes and facts about the Palestinian people came from the ancient Egyptians more than 5000 years ago. Following that we have thousands of years of maps, data, records, drawings, etchings, paintings and when the camera was invented in the early 19th century, photos of Palestine and the Palestinian people.
You said: The history of the world is the history of people who were cheated out of land which was theirs, or which should have been theirs, and who after enough years of fighting and dying futilely, made their peace, with circumstances and with their conquerors, and proceeded to make the best of life which they could.
Well, so your view is that those occupied by the Nazis in WWII should have made the best of it? Okay, sure. why not. Except name one people in history occupied by bestial savages who want to exterminate them who have been able to make peace with their circumstances and their conquerors. Just one will do.
You said: Why was this beyond the Palestinians of Gaza?
Oh it wasn't beyond the Palestinians, and you need to talk about all Palestinians not just the few in Gaza, IT WAS BEYOND THE ISRAELIS.
The Israeli plan and policy was always genocidal and the extermination or expulsion of every last Palestinian. Who on earth would accept that? No-one.
The tragedy is the Palestinians are an ancient, patient, sophisticated and generally well educated, literate and cultured people and if the Jews and Zionists had not been such bigots, would have intermixed with the colonists and created willingly, a vibrant new nation.
You said: And why have the Egyptians and Jordanians been adamant in their refusal to consider even trying to resettle them?
Why should the Palestinians leave their homeland? By your criteria every country occupied by the Nazis in WWII should have packed up and left and let the Germans take the lot. That is insane.
As to Jordan and Egypt, they already have millions of Palestinian refugees waiting to go home and thankfully they will in a few years, and politically the populations of both countries would not allow their Governments to participate in Israel's genocidal ethnic cleansing. And why should they?
You said: Why, in short, are the Palestinians the world's most irremediably mulish people.
Do you mean stubborn? Because they have been occupied for thousands of years and will never give up on their homeland.
If someone invaded, occupied and colonised the United States would you call Americans mulish for refusing to surrender to the savages who occupy their land? Can you spell hypocrisy?
What you call mulish is integrity and courage which is now recognised and admired around the world.
As the new saying goes, EVERYTHING IS NOW MADE IN CHINA, EXCEPT COURAGE. COURAGE IS MADE IN PALESTINE.
No, I don't have the health. I was almost killed at age seven in an event which was so violent it approaches the preposterous that anyone actually survived it.
I don't have the health, and I have no particular interest in going into details about it for you. But I am hardly a stranger to wild violence, or to the need to learn to live with circumstances which one hates. I am also unafraid to acknowledge my ignorance of something. No, I am not an expert in the Middle East. I do know, however, that Western civilization began when God picked Abram, changed his name to Abraham, and told him about the plenitude of his descendants. I am a Christian, and though every Christian must acknowledge that a disobedient Israel was eventually displaced as God's chosen people by believing Christians, I believe that eventually, God will regather the world's Jews in an Israel reconstituted, but reconstituted in faith. I do not believe the current Israel is that Israel, but I am also aware that throughout history, the Devil has done his best to kill the Jews, and that all hatred of them is energized by the Devil.
The nature of Substack is that I can't go back over what you said without losing this. About the matter of acceptance of defeat: it happened to my great grandfather, a teenaged boy growing up on his father's farm in northern Virginia in 1861. His family was among the 92% of southern families which owned no slaves. My great grandfather to be had expected to grow up to take over the farm after his parents' death. The Union Army had other ideas.
Have you ever done any reading about the destruction imposed on the American South by that war? In 1865, the South could have "gone Palestinian," continuing the fight in the Shenandoah, but Lee refused to do it. Instead, the South accepted ruinous defeat and impoverishment which lasted for over a century. In Mississippi in the years after the war, the state government's biggest expenditure was on artificial limbs, and I don't imagine the situation was significantly different in the other defeated Confederate states.
Yes, the Palestinians could have made an Arab Singapore. In the twenty years which elapsed between 1947 - 1967, Jewish survivors of the Holocaust took mostly desert and swampland and made a first world nation of it. In the close to twenty years which elapsed between 2005 - 2023, the Palestinians made what could have been an Arab Singapore into a terror state.
The difference in national characteristics and in a people's choices could hardly be better illustrated.
Everything you write is a lie. It's possible that occasionally you do employ a fact in the service of the lie, but it is in service of the lie, never of truth. As an example, consider your nonsense about Jewish genocide of the Palestinians. They certainly are inefficient at it, aren't they? Why is that? Why was that? After World War II and throughout the 1950s, they had the close to unstinting support of most of the world. Why in June, 1967, didn't they at least throw the Palestinians into Jordan? That would have been a permanent solution, though hardly of the kind Israel's enemies have intended for it.
Why do you say Hamas, one of a dozen factions in the Palestinian Resistance, is no innocent victim and shares some of the blame when the only reason Hamas and the other factions exist is because Israel occupies Palestine and inflicts sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery and has done for 76 years.
Why is Hamas not an innocent victim when under international law the Palestinians, and that includes Hamas, have the right to take up arms against their occupier and oppressor?
Even the most sensible of articles appear to have an apologist factor, inserted perhaps to placate, but unjust all the same.
The Palestinians had been suffering for nearly half a century before Hamas even existed and the group was created with the help of the Israelis and has been funded by the Israelis as part of that old colonial ploy of divide and conquer. Hamas was intended to be a foil to the PLO, which it was although the Israelis still had to poison Arafat to really destroy the group. Why did they need to do that? Because the PLO was secular and the Israelis needed an Islamic target as their enemy so they could murder at will and claim it was needed because of the global Islamic threat which planned to destroy poor little Fizzrael and dominate the world. And the world fell for it in the main.
SO NO, HAMAS IS NOT PARTLY TO BLAME ANYMORE THAN THE POLISH OR FRENCH RESISTANCE OR THE POLISH JEWS IN THE WARSAW GHETTO WERE TO BLAME FOR TAKING UP ARMS AGAINST THE SAVAGES WHO SOUGHT TO EXTERMINATE THEM AND OCCUPY THEIR COUNTRY.
As to Catholics and other Christians not just promoting but rejoicing in the slaughter in Palestine, one thing is certain, there is nothing Christian about them and if Jesus did come back he would knock their heads together very hard and condemn them utterly.
Catholics and Christians need to find out why such evil exists in their midst, for it is evil.
"...if Israel were only willing to observe the pre-1967 borders, a lasting peace with the Palestinian Arabs could be arranged quite quickly." Nope. You have to be kidding. The only peace the Palestinian Arabs would recognize would be the elimination of all Jews in the area and the complete destruction of the country of Israel. How does one negotiate with that? I say a pox on both their houses and end all US government aid and involvement.
I would say that most sane people in the world would understand after the last 18 months of genocidal slaughter and indeed sadistic cruelty by the Israelis, on top of 76 years of bestial savagery by the Israelis, that many Palestinians would wish for the elimination of all Israelis in the area.
The claim that the Palestinians target Jews is just propaganda. Even Hamas has stated the target is Zionist Israelis and not the religion of Judaism or its followers. They made that clear in 2017 in their revised charter.
And let us use correct terms. This is not about Palestinian Arabs - Arab is a culture, Arabic speaker actually, but about non-Jews and religious bigotry on the part of Israelis and their supporters. We know that because in 1948 when the Israelis invented their state in Palestine they gave immediate citizenship to all Palestinian Arab Jews, thereby demonstrating the only issue was religious, i.e. non-Jews were inferior, subhuman, and their numbers had to be limited. A few did remain in what is called Israel for the moment but they are inferior, discriminated against, denied nationality and do not have the same rights as Jews. Since October 7 they have been persecuted even more. I suggest you read the Israeli human rights group, B'Tselem on the persecution of non-Jews, code-name, Arabs, in what is called Israel.
The irony of course is that if the Zionists and Jews had not been deranged bigots, they would have quickly dropped the evil racist supremacist demands that Jews had to be in control and done what other colonisers have done, certainly those claiming to be Western democracies, one state where the native people shared the land as equal citizens with the European colonists. The Palestinians are an ancient people with a history going back more than 5000 years, and a pragmatic, patient, tolerant and well educated people. The new nation, probably not called Israel but with many Jews living in it, could have been a thriving democracy and a credit to the world instead of the evil tainted poison that Israel is.
But greed, supremacism, elitism, racism and hatred won and sowed the seeds for the evil that is Israel and its ultimate demise.
And since most Jews do not live in what is called Israel then most Jews are not impacted by what Palestinians think or do. But since most Jews have allowed Ziorael to claim it speaks and exists in the name of them and their religion, and most have funded the Zionist atrocity, then jews are accountable as well as responsible for the evil that is Israel.
What are the rough numbers of Zio-Caths? Just more examples of blind following without rational moral thought. You also have the Jews-turned-Catholics (like Trent Horn) who have not shed their Jewish biases.
The same idolatry applies to some conservative Protestant churches, whose social and political views are otherwise attractive.
These Protestants evidently regard the unilateral, unconditional promise of the Davidic Covenant—"He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever" (2 Sam 7:13)—to be applicable to the modern State of Israel, which itself is a necessary "landing pad" for the Second Coming of Christ.
Well said
Perhaps such levels of deranged fear and hatred are more common in the fundamentalist forms of Christian belief. More Old Testament than new. More ancient raging, warring, destroying God than the teachings of Jesus Christ.
One thing is certain, such support for atrocity is not going to help reduce the dropping numbers of the faithful. Not with the younger generations certainly.
Ashkenazi in Miami shoots visiting Mizrahim father and son after mistaking them for Arabs. One of the victims, the son, concludes the shooter is a terrorist and posts "Death to Arabs!" on X. When he learns of the shooter's identity, he appears on Israeli television and solemnly intones, "It doesn't matter what we are, Jews, Russians, Arab . . . no human being has to take the life of another."
https://www.972mag.com/miami-shooting-mizrahi-jews-arab
Anybody who targets civilians is a terrorist. That means Netanyahu. For that matter, it means "great leaders" like Lincoln, FDR, and Truman. Mohammedans wield no monopoly when it comes to the tactic.
Israel was founded in terrorism and has functioned in terrorism ever since it invented itself in Palestine. Indeed, its political and military policies are and always have been terrorism.
The policy toward non-Jews, code-name, Arabs is to kill as many as possible and make life so impossible that they leave. In short, terrorise them into giving up and leaving their homeland. 76 years of documented atrocities and sadistic cruelty by the Israelis, gathered by Israeli and international human rights groups makes this clear, and when coupled with clearly stated policies by Zionism from 1897 and Israel from 1948, to exterminate and expel non-Jews, code-name Arabs, it is very clear that terrorism was, is and will always be the name of the game as long as Israel exists.
Why have they always broken into homes in the middle of the night to kidnap and imprison children? To terrify the parents.
Why do they murder journalists? To terrify journalists and citizens.
Why do they torture and murder doctors? To terrify doctors and patients.
Actions speak louder than words and the history of Zionism and Israel is littered with terrorist actions and statements. Indeed, it was Jewish terrorist gangs, and they were called terrorists in the time, who rampaged in bloody murder around Palestine from the 1920's to pave the way for the genocidal slaughter and ethnic cleansing of terrorist Zionist and Jewish forces in 1947/48. All of that is documented historical fact and even some Israeli historians have stated those facts.
Your first sentence is an inversion of truth: please tell me when a Kingdom of Palestine existed. And forgive me if I think I see a not terribly well disguised Nazi.
Israel was founded in stated policies of murder and theft, and accepted policies of rape, torture and sadistic cruelty.
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In the rare event that Israelis acknowledge that the Nakba was perpetrated by Zionist militias rather than being the result of some mythical Arab evacuation orders [You can read more about this here], the argument then becomes that it was a byproduct of war and not a deliberate policy. This should not be surprising, as much of the Israeli narrative depends on framing the Zionist colonists as morally superior underdogs who only resorted to violence to defend themselves.
However, like most Zionist talking points, actual scholarship and primary sources paint a completely different picture. The concept of “transferring” the Arab population of Palestine -also known as ethnic cleansing- has a long and robust history within the Zionist movement and its political thought.
The concept of "transfer"
From its earliest days, the Zionist movement was well-aware of the existence of the Palestinian natives. Even though the claim was “A land without a people for a people without a land” what they truly meant is that the land had no people worth talking about. This becomes exceedingly clear when reading the discussions of early Zionists, such as Chaim Weizmann, who when asked about the inhabitants of Palestine responded with:
“The British told us that there are there some hundred thousands negroes [Kushim] and for those there is no value.”.
With the arrival of the first Zionist colonists it became apparent that there was no hope of establishing an ethnocracy without first getting rid of the Palestinians already living there. This was encapsulated by an overheard conversation documented by Moshe Smilansky in 1891:
“We should go east, into Transjordan. That would be a test for our movement.”
“Nonsense… isn’t there enough land in Judea and Galilee?”
“The land in Judea and Galilee is occupied by the Arabs.”
“Well, we’ll take it from them.”
“How?” (Silence.)
“A revolutionary doesn’t ask naive questions.”
“Well then, ‘revolutionary,’ tell us how.”
“It is very simple, we’ll harass them until they get out… Let them go to Transjordan.”
“And are we going to abandon all of Transjordan?” asks an anxious voice.
“As soon as we have a big settlement here we’ll seize the land, we’ll become strong, and then we’ll take care of the Left Bank [of the Jordan River], we’ll expel them from there, too. Let them go back to the Arab countries.”
When asked about the deprivation of Palestinians from their rights as a result of the Zionist project, Moshe Beilinson, close associate of Ben Gurion stated in 1929 that:
“There is no answer to this question nor can there be, and we are not obliged to provide it because we are not responsible for the fact that a particular individual man was born in a certain place, and not several kilometres away from there.”
In 1930, Menahem Ussishkin, Chairman of the Jewish National Fund and a member of the Jewish Agency executive, declared that:
“We must continually raise the demand that our land be returned to our possession….lf there are other inhabitants there, they must be transferred to some other place. We must take over the land. We have a greater and nobler ideal than preserving several hundred thousands of Arab fellahin.”
There are dozens of other examples of such public statements, this is of course not even taking into account what was being said behind closed doors. But it is obvious that for the Zionist movement to succeed, the Palestinians needed to be removed from Palestine. Anything else would not allow for the erection of an exclusivist Zionist ethnocracy.
The idea of removing the Palestinians was rather popular among Zionist leaders decades before any kind of war or conflict, and was even seen as a necessity by many. Naturally, this set the stage for the ethnic cleansing that occurred between 1947-1950 (and beyond).
Plan Dalet
It is within this context that Plan D (Tochnit Dalet) was developed by the Haganah high command. Although it was adopted in May 1948, the origins of this plan goes back a few years further. Yigael Yadin reportedly started working on it in 1944. This plan entailed the expansion of the borders of the Jewish state, well beyond partition, and any Palestinian village within these borders that resisted would be destroyed and have its inhabitants expelled. This included cities that were supposed to be part of the Arab Palestinian state after partition, such as Nazareth, Acre and Lydda.
Ben Zohar, the biographer of Ben Gurion wrote that:
“In internal discussions, in instructions to his men, the Old Man [Ben-Gurion] demonstrated a clear position: it would be better that as few a number as possible of Arabs would remain in the territory of the [Jewish] state.”
Although it could be argued that Plan D did not outline the exact villages and cities to be ethnically cleansed in an explicit way, it was clear that the various Yishuv forces were operating with its instructions in mind.
To further reinforce my argument that the ethnic cleansing of Palestine was not some byproduct of warfare, but rather deliberate policy -regardless of degree of central organization- I would like to share some rather explicit and deliberate examples of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Deir Yassin
Deir Yassin was a small, pastoral village west of Jerusalem. The village was determined to remain neutral, and as such refused to have Arab soldiers stationed there. Not only were they neutral, they also had a non-aggression pact signed with the Haganah. This, however, did not save it from its fate, as it was in the territory of the Jewish state lined out in Plan D.
This meant that not only was it to be destroyed and have its population ethnically cleansed, an example needed to be made of it as to inspire terror in the surrounding villages. As a result this massacre was particularly monstrous.
On April 9th 1948, Zionist forces attacked the village of Deir Yassin under the cover of darkness. The Zionist forces shot indiscriminately and killed dozens of Palestinian civilians in their own homes. The number of those murdered ranges from roughly 100 to over 150, depending on estimation.
Perhaps one of the most graphic witness testimonials comes from Othman Akel:
“I saw the Zionist terrorist soldiers ordering the bakery man of the village to throw his son in the oven and burn him alive. The son is holding the clothes of his father tightly and crying from fear and pleading to his father not to do it. the father refuses and then the soldiers hit him in his gut so hard it caused him to fall on the floor. Other soldiers held his son, Abdel Rauf, and threw him in the oven and told his father to toast him well-done meat. Other soldiers took the baker himself , Hussain al-Shareef, and threw him, too, in the oven, telling him, “follow your son, he needs you there”.
Other stories include tying a villager to a tree before burning him, rape and disembowelment. Dead villagers were thrown into pits by the dozen. Many were decapitated or mutilated. Houses were looted and destroyed. A number of prisoners were taken, put in cuffs, and paraded around West Jerusalem as war trophies, before being executed and dumped in the village quarry.
It is important to note that this massacre was carried out before the 1948 war. It posed no threat and was not part of any military action.
Al Faluja and Iraq al Manshiyya were Palestinian villages east of Gaza. They were both home to a pocket of Egyptian troops who were assigned to defend the villages, and were besieged since October 1948. On February 1949, an armistice agreement was reached between Egypt and Israel, where the Egyptian troops and all military personnel would evacuate the pocket and hand it over to Israel.
One of the conditions of this armistice agreement was that the civilians of these villages were to remain safe and unharmed. Israel agreed to this. However, as soon as the villages were under Israeli control they were subjected to a merciless campaign of intimidation to push the villagers to leave, which included beatings, looting, attempted rapes, threats, and the employment of the so called “whispering campaigns”. It is speculated by Benny Morris that the decision was most likely approved by high ranking Israeli officials, but of course, as with Deir Yassin they feigned outrage without doing anything about it.
Al Dawayma was a Palestinian village that lay west of Al-Khalil (Hebron). According to Haganah records, the village was considered “Very friendly”. Meaning it had not hosted or participated in any attacks against the Yishuv. This, like Deir Yassin, did not spare them the brutality of the Zionist militias.
On October 8th 1948, the village was occupied by Battalion 89 of Brigade Eight, who committed some depraved acts upon the villagers. 20 armored cars invaded the village while soldiers attacked from another flank. The village guards couldn’t even respond, and the village fell with very little resistance.
The soldiers got out of their vehicles and started indiscriminately shooting villagers to force a panic and hurried depopulation of the village. Hundreds were killed, many of which were women and children. Villagers attempted to seek refuge in mosques and a close by shrine were shot by the dozens. Acts of barbarity were also reported by Zionist troops:
Babies skulls cracked open, women raped and burned alive in houses, villagers stabbed to death.
The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians was deliberate and necessary for the creation of Israel. The evidence that it was planned and not simply a byproduct of the fighting is overwhelming. Israel was not born in a vacuum, its birth was preconditioned on making the native Palestinians disappear.
https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-was-an-accident-of-war/
Some of the facts from my first sentence.
Classified Docs Reveal Massacres of Palestinians in '48 – and What Israeli Leaders
The discussions were fraught with emotion. Cabinet minister Haim-Moshe Shapira said that all of Israel’s moral foundations had been undermined. Minister David Remez remarked that the deeds that had been done remove us from the category of Jews and from the category of human beings altogether. Other ministers were also appalled: Mordechai Bentov wondered what kind of Jews would be left in the country after the war; Aharon Zisling related that he had had a sleepless night – the criminals, he said, were striking at the soul of the whole government. Some ministers demanded that the testimonies be investigated and that those responsible be held to account. David Ben-Gurion was evasive.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-12-09/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/classified-docs-reveal-deir-yassin-massacre-wasnt-the-only-one-perpetrated-by-isra/0000017f-e496-d7b2-a77f-e79772340000
My first sentence is a statement of fact as anyone who has done the research and read the histories of Zionism from the late 19th century and Israel which invented itself in 1948 in blood-drenched genocidal slaughter. It is all documented, historical fact and even some Israeli historians have been ethical enough to say that it is.
A kingdom of Palestine existed more than 5000 years ago as transcribed Egyptian hieroglyphs reveal. The Palestinians invaded Egypt more than once. Palestine was ancient before Judaism existed. Not that it matters because religions have no right to lands, homelands or self-determination and Jews are simply a religion. Around 3000 years ago one of their tribes, Judah, arrived in Palestine and set up camp and primitive kingdom alongside dozens of others, as Egyptian hieroglyphs also reveal. But, that counts for nothing because the world is littered with areas where ancient tribes once existed and then disappeared.
I can forgive anyone bigotry and ignorance so consider yourself forgiven. If you study Nazi policy and practice and study Zionist policy and practice and then study Israeli policy and practice, the commonalities are clear.
Although since Zionism, the racist, fascist, bigoted, fanatical, political movement was invented in 1897 and German Nazis did not appear until four decades later, the question is who got what from whom. Logic would say the Nazis drew on the Zionists for their policies and practices and the Zionists certainly worked with the Nazis in regard to their plan to colonise Palestine.
But, also well documented, the Zionists were atheists and not Jews and actually despised real Jews and their religion and were happy to see them die in Europe if it furthered their plans for Palestine. But that is a digression, albeit on the same theme.
I haven't got the energy to refute you, but really, the assertion that the Nazis learned from the Zionists ought to be enough for anyone to doubt your credibility. But if everything you said were true, please explain why, when the Israelis gave Gaza to the Palestinians, the Palestinians didn't set about to make it into the Arab Singapore which it could have been?
I do not concede your case. Mark Twain, a half century before the Holocaust survivors started trekking in, was stunned to witness the desolation into which the entire region had been allowed to fall. The Arab states had zero interest in it. As for a "Palestinian" people, the world had never heard of such a "people" until the charming advent of Sirhan Sirhan in historical awareness.
The history of the world is the history of people who were cheated out of land which was theirs, or which should have been theirs, and who after enough years of fighting and dying futilely, made their peace, with circumstances and with their conquerors, and proceeded to make the best of life which they could.
Why was this beyond the Palestinians of Gaza? And why have the Egyptians and Jordanians been adamant in their refusal to consider even trying to resettle them?
Why, in short, are the Palestinians the world's most irremediably mulish people?
You mean you do not have the facts to refute what I said.
I did not assert the Nazis learned from the Zionists, but made the point that Zionism was 30 years older than Nazism and given the similarities, i.e. Zionists believe in ubermenschen, non-Jews being subhuman and Nazis believed in ubermenschen, non-Aryans being subhuman, just one of many, a valid question is - WHO GOT WHAT FROM WHOM?
I mean the Nazis believed in final solutions for Slavs because of their racial origin, Jews because of their religious origin and Gypsies because of their racial/cultural origin and committed genocide while Zionists believed and believe in final solutions for Palestinians because they are non-Jews and have practised genocide for a century if we start with the Jewish terrorist gangs who began their rampages in the 1920's.
You said But if everything you said were true, please explain why, when the Israelis gave Gaza to the Palestinians, the Palestinians didn't set about to make it into the Arab Singapore which it could have been?
FIRSTLY, the Israelis could not give Gaza to the Palestinians because as part of officially decreed Occupied Palestine, it was not Israel's to give. In fact all of it is Occupied Palestine including the bits called Israel, but the general view is that Israel could make a case to claim pre-67 borders, but the rest of Occupied Palestine including Gaza is illegally occupied by Israel.
As to the rather sick fantasy of the Singapore of the Middle East, please name one concentration camp which turned itself into a Singapore? Can any prison do such a thing? Of course not.
Israel never ended the occupation of Gaza. It removed illegal Jewish colonists and military bases and imprisoned the Palestinians behind electric fences and gunships so it could use it to test weapons every couple of years and bomb hell out of the place.
Israel controlled what went in and what came out of Gaza and kept strict limits on food, medicine and goods. And every couple of years they destroyed as much agricultural land as they could, utilities, and things which made the place semi-functional. The physical and psychological terrorism of the Palestinians by Israel made normal life impossible. There would be no Singapore if they had suffered as the Palestinians have suffered.
Israel also moved those Jewish colonists to other parts of Occupied Palestine, still illegally.
Ah the Mark Twain furphy. Twain spent 6 months in Palestine in 1867 and remember, HE WAS A FICTION WRITER. He thought it desolate and compared to where he lived in the US it probably was, geographically.
BUT IN THOSE TIMES AND THROUGHOUT THE 19TH CENTURY PALESTINE WAS EXPORTING JAFFA ORANGES AROUND THE WORLD. Indeed the Palestinians had been exporting, wine, olive oil and citrus for thousands of years. Not desolate by any criteria.
And as I am sure you know the sickraelis from 1947 have been destroying ancient olive groves and orchards and vines which are centuries old. Nothing desolate in any of that, until the Ziojews arrived.
Did you know they never stopped destroying agriculture and land? They have laid waste in Gaza and built their ugly scab settlements on Palestinian farmland, and worse, the illegal Jewish colonists with the help of the Government release feral pigs to destroy farmland in Occupied Palestine.
Not only are Israelis the greatest intentional mass murderers of children in human history they are the greatest ecological and environmental vandals in history.,
You said: As for a "Palestinian" people, the world had never heard of such a "people" until the charming advent of Sirhan Sirhan in historical awareness.
Well, we know you are ignorant and that is why you make such a statement. The first recorded notes and facts about the Palestinian people came from the ancient Egyptians more than 5000 years ago. Following that we have thousands of years of maps, data, records, drawings, etchings, paintings and when the camera was invented in the early 19th century, photos of Palestine and the Palestinian people.
You said: The history of the world is the history of people who were cheated out of land which was theirs, or which should have been theirs, and who after enough years of fighting and dying futilely, made their peace, with circumstances and with their conquerors, and proceeded to make the best of life which they could.
Well, so your view is that those occupied by the Nazis in WWII should have made the best of it? Okay, sure. why not. Except name one people in history occupied by bestial savages who want to exterminate them who have been able to make peace with their circumstances and their conquerors. Just one will do.
You said: Why was this beyond the Palestinians of Gaza?
Oh it wasn't beyond the Palestinians, and you need to talk about all Palestinians not just the few in Gaza, IT WAS BEYOND THE ISRAELIS.
The Israeli plan and policy was always genocidal and the extermination or expulsion of every last Palestinian. Who on earth would accept that? No-one.
The tragedy is the Palestinians are an ancient, patient, sophisticated and generally well educated, literate and cultured people and if the Jews and Zionists had not been such bigots, would have intermixed with the colonists and created willingly, a vibrant new nation.
You said: And why have the Egyptians and Jordanians been adamant in their refusal to consider even trying to resettle them?
Why should the Palestinians leave their homeland? By your criteria every country occupied by the Nazis in WWII should have packed up and left and let the Germans take the lot. That is insane.
As to Jordan and Egypt, they already have millions of Palestinian refugees waiting to go home and thankfully they will in a few years, and politically the populations of both countries would not allow their Governments to participate in Israel's genocidal ethnic cleansing. And why should they?
You said: Why, in short, are the Palestinians the world's most irremediably mulish people.
Do you mean stubborn? Because they have been occupied for thousands of years and will never give up on their homeland.
If someone invaded, occupied and colonised the United States would you call Americans mulish for refusing to surrender to the savages who occupy their land? Can you spell hypocrisy?
What you call mulish is integrity and courage which is now recognised and admired around the world.
As the new saying goes, EVERYTHING IS NOW MADE IN CHINA, EXCEPT COURAGE. COURAGE IS MADE IN PALESTINE.
No, I don't have the health. I was almost killed at age seven in an event which was so violent it approaches the preposterous that anyone actually survived it.
I don't have the health, and I have no particular interest in going into details about it for you. But I am hardly a stranger to wild violence, or to the need to learn to live with circumstances which one hates. I am also unafraid to acknowledge my ignorance of something. No, I am not an expert in the Middle East. I do know, however, that Western civilization began when God picked Abram, changed his name to Abraham, and told him about the plenitude of his descendants. I am a Christian, and though every Christian must acknowledge that a disobedient Israel was eventually displaced as God's chosen people by believing Christians, I believe that eventually, God will regather the world's Jews in an Israel reconstituted, but reconstituted in faith. I do not believe the current Israel is that Israel, but I am also aware that throughout history, the Devil has done his best to kill the Jews, and that all hatred of them is energized by the Devil.
The nature of Substack is that I can't go back over what you said without losing this. About the matter of acceptance of defeat: it happened to my great grandfather, a teenaged boy growing up on his father's farm in northern Virginia in 1861. His family was among the 92% of southern families which owned no slaves. My great grandfather to be had expected to grow up to take over the farm after his parents' death. The Union Army had other ideas.
Have you ever done any reading about the destruction imposed on the American South by that war? In 1865, the South could have "gone Palestinian," continuing the fight in the Shenandoah, but Lee refused to do it. Instead, the South accepted ruinous defeat and impoverishment which lasted for over a century. In Mississippi in the years after the war, the state government's biggest expenditure was on artificial limbs, and I don't imagine the situation was significantly different in the other defeated Confederate states.
Yes, the Palestinians could have made an Arab Singapore. In the twenty years which elapsed between 1947 - 1967, Jewish survivors of the Holocaust took mostly desert and swampland and made a first world nation of it. In the close to twenty years which elapsed between 2005 - 2023, the Palestinians made what could have been an Arab Singapore into a terror state.
The difference in national characteristics and in a people's choices could hardly be better illustrated.
Everything you write is a lie. It's possible that occasionally you do employ a fact in the service of the lie, but it is in service of the lie, never of truth. As an example, consider your nonsense about Jewish genocide of the Palestinians. They certainly are inefficient at it, aren't they? Why is that? Why was that? After World War II and throughout the 1950s, they had the close to unstinting support of most of the world. Why in June, 1967, didn't they at least throw the Palestinians into Jordan? That would have been a permanent solution, though hardly of the kind Israel's enemies have intended for it.
I suggest you read the Talmud. Then you might wake up.
I suggest you read The Epistle to the Romans, chapters nine through eleven. Then, you might wake up.
Why do you say Hamas, one of a dozen factions in the Palestinian Resistance, is no innocent victim and shares some of the blame when the only reason Hamas and the other factions exist is because Israel occupies Palestine and inflicts sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery and has done for 76 years.
Why is Hamas not an innocent victim when under international law the Palestinians, and that includes Hamas, have the right to take up arms against their occupier and oppressor?
Even the most sensible of articles appear to have an apologist factor, inserted perhaps to placate, but unjust all the same.
The Palestinians had been suffering for nearly half a century before Hamas even existed and the group was created with the help of the Israelis and has been funded by the Israelis as part of that old colonial ploy of divide and conquer. Hamas was intended to be a foil to the PLO, which it was although the Israelis still had to poison Arafat to really destroy the group. Why did they need to do that? Because the PLO was secular and the Israelis needed an Islamic target as their enemy so they could murder at will and claim it was needed because of the global Islamic threat which planned to destroy poor little Fizzrael and dominate the world. And the world fell for it in the main.
SO NO, HAMAS IS NOT PARTLY TO BLAME ANYMORE THAN THE POLISH OR FRENCH RESISTANCE OR THE POLISH JEWS IN THE WARSAW GHETTO WERE TO BLAME FOR TAKING UP ARMS AGAINST THE SAVAGES WHO SOUGHT TO EXTERMINATE THEM AND OCCUPY THEIR COUNTRY.
As to Catholics and other Christians not just promoting but rejoicing in the slaughter in Palestine, one thing is certain, there is nothing Christian about them and if Jesus did come back he would knock their heads together very hard and condemn them utterly.
Catholics and Christians need to find out why such evil exists in their midst, for it is evil.
"...if Israel were only willing to observe the pre-1967 borders, a lasting peace with the Palestinian Arabs could be arranged quite quickly." Nope. You have to be kidding. The only peace the Palestinian Arabs would recognize would be the elimination of all Jews in the area and the complete destruction of the country of Israel. How does one negotiate with that? I say a pox on both their houses and end all US government aid and involvement.
I would say that most sane people in the world would understand after the last 18 months of genocidal slaughter and indeed sadistic cruelty by the Israelis, on top of 76 years of bestial savagery by the Israelis, that many Palestinians would wish for the elimination of all Israelis in the area.
The claim that the Palestinians target Jews is just propaganda. Even Hamas has stated the target is Zionist Israelis and not the religion of Judaism or its followers. They made that clear in 2017 in their revised charter.
And let us use correct terms. This is not about Palestinian Arabs - Arab is a culture, Arabic speaker actually, but about non-Jews and religious bigotry on the part of Israelis and their supporters. We know that because in 1948 when the Israelis invented their state in Palestine they gave immediate citizenship to all Palestinian Arab Jews, thereby demonstrating the only issue was religious, i.e. non-Jews were inferior, subhuman, and their numbers had to be limited. A few did remain in what is called Israel for the moment but they are inferior, discriminated against, denied nationality and do not have the same rights as Jews. Since October 7 they have been persecuted even more. I suggest you read the Israeli human rights group, B'Tselem on the persecution of non-Jews, code-name, Arabs, in what is called Israel.
The irony of course is that if the Zionists and Jews had not been deranged bigots, they would have quickly dropped the evil racist supremacist demands that Jews had to be in control and done what other colonisers have done, certainly those claiming to be Western democracies, one state where the native people shared the land as equal citizens with the European colonists. The Palestinians are an ancient people with a history going back more than 5000 years, and a pragmatic, patient, tolerant and well educated people. The new nation, probably not called Israel but with many Jews living in it, could have been a thriving democracy and a credit to the world instead of the evil tainted poison that Israel is.
But greed, supremacism, elitism, racism and hatred won and sowed the seeds for the evil that is Israel and its ultimate demise.
And since most Jews do not live in what is called Israel then most Jews are not impacted by what Palestinians think or do. But since most Jews have allowed Ziorael to claim it speaks and exists in the name of them and their religion, and most have funded the Zionist atrocity, then jews are accountable as well as responsible for the evil that is Israel.
What are the rough numbers of Zio-Caths? Just more examples of blind following without rational moral thought. You also have the Jews-turned-Catholics (like Trent Horn) who have not shed their Jewish biases.
But I will not condemn Hamas.